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tomman

Posted on 21-07-04, 00:46 (revision 1)

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Remember when MS said Windows 10 would be the last Windows ever, and instead you'll get experimental upgrades every year?

They of course lied. Enter Windows 11, shipping "late 2021"

I already hate it.

Most likely you won't be able to run it on your current Win10-capable PC unless you bought one in the last 5 years (Intel 8th gen or later, or any AMD Zen except for Ryzen 1xxx series!), and has a TPM 2.0 module (be it physical or baked into the firmware). BIOS legacy boot is gone (good riddance~!), it's UEFI or nothing, but it also means Secure Boot is mandatory this time. There are workarounds, of course, but why bother? 32-bit-only versions are GONE too (even on ARM!), so maybe it's finally the beginning of the end for Win32...

A Microsoft account logon is mandatory for Home editions, because your non-techy family members are too dumb for having personal computers these days, according to the entire IT industry.

The UI as expected has been severely infected by the "I'm too poor for affording a real Mac" UXtarded webshits - if you like me hated 8 and/or 10, you'll certainly have very frequent rage-inducing moments with 11's vomit of a GUI.

On the "positive" side (is there any positive out of modern software these days?!), Windows 11 will be a free upgrade for those of you already running licensed Win10, because MS finally got the memo that pretty much nobody pays for Windows anymore.

I'm glad Windows has been relegated to "legacy stuff" in this house (not being a AAA++++ gamer really helps). I haven't booted any of my Win7 installs more than twice this year, anyway.

But then, that's me, I'm a dinosaur whose last new PC is about to turn 9 years old, I'm not the target, yadda yadda yadda, so feel free to post your impressions about the latest turd coming out of Redmond!

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Nicholas Steel

Posted on 21-07-04, 04:48 (revision 3)

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Posted by tomman
A Microsoft account logon is mandatory for Home editions, because your non-techy family members are too dumb for having personal computers these days, according to the entire IT industry.

Assuming Microsoft starts storing a copy of your TPM decryption keys on your Microsoft Account, this forced use of Microsoft Accounts for Home Users may be to avoid an issue where someone "forgot to backup their key and now can't access any data" scenario.

Of course having your decryption key stored online is kinda dumb from a security view point but... eh.

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wertigon	Posted on 21-07-04, 08:26 Hi.
Post: #158 of 205 Since: 11-24-18 Last post: 162 days Last view: 1 day	As always with Windows you have two options: 1. Throw the windows crap down the garbage can. 2. Do as your uncle Ben Dover and submit to whatever craziness Microsoft requires in the hopes that Microsoft will never fail you in their wisdom. You have until 2025 to comply. :D

creaothceann	Posted on 21-07-04, 15:01 Hi.
Post: #353 of 456 Since: 10-29-18 Last post: 51 days Last view: 1 hour	This is probably going to be lots of work for me (at home and on the job) because Secure Boot needs GPT partitions. I might try the conversion tool on my installation, after doing a backup. I also don't see my i7-4790K on the list of supported CPUs. My current setup: Super Famicom ("2/1/3" SNS-CPU-1CHIP-02) → SCART → OSSC → StarTech USB3HDCAP → AmaRecTV 3.10

tomman

Posted on 21-07-04, 15:15

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Posted by creaothceann
This is probably going to be lots of work for me (at home and on the job) because Secure Boot needs GPT partitions. I might try the conversion tool on my installation, after doing a backup.

I also don't see my i7-4790K on the list of supported CPUs.

Actually, for Windows to boot in UEFI mode (Secure Boot or not), GPT has been mandatory since Windows 7, at the very least.

And nope, your Haswell is too old for Windows, according to MS. There are workarounds for that (it involves mixing Windows 10 setup media with Windows 11 images or something), and of course, if you're an OEM and have a very convincing business case to ship unsupported configurations with Windows 11, MS will waive the requirements for you.

In the meanwhile, large parts of Windows shell are now UWP aka bloaty web garbage:
https://twitter.com/violetasiii/status/1410507599376793601
Back when MS used to be good ol' evil M$, at least they shipped fast native applications, but I guess their highly capable C/C++ coders are retiring at a accelerated pace, and all they can find is webshit these days :/

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wertigon	Posted on 21-07-04, 23:17 Hi.
Post: #159 of 205 Since: 11-24-18 Last post: 162 days Last view: 1 day	Posted by creaothceann I also don't see my i7-4790K on the list of supported CPUs. I got bad news, Windows 11 only supports Intel Gen 8 (8000 series) and AMD Zen 1+ (2000 series) and newer.

shadowinthelight	Posted on 21-07-05, 15:06 Hi.
Post: #8 of 9 Since: 11-03-18 Last post: 1193 days Last view: 366 days	According to this When Windows 11 Home prompts users to connect to a network, a simple ‘Alt + F4’ shortcut closes the prompt, and the screen proceeds directly to the local account creation page Still available, just harder to find?

creaothceann

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Posted by shadowinthelight
According to this

When Windows 11 Home prompts users to connect to a network, a simple ‘Alt + F4’ shortcut closes the prompt, and the screen proceeds directly to the local account creation page

Still available, just harder to find?

As is tradition.

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Nicholas Steel

Posted on 21-07-08, 04:38

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Posted by tomman

Posted by creaothceann
This is probably going to be lots of work for me (at home and on the job) because Secure Boot needs GPT partitions. I might try the conversion tool on my installation, after doing a backup.

I also don't see my i7-4790K on the list of supported CPUs.

And nope, your Haswell is too old for Windows, according to MS. There are workarounds for that (it involves mixing Windows 10 setup media with Windows 11 images or something), and of course, if you're an OEM and have a very convincing business case to ship unsupported configurations with Windows 11, MS will waive the requirements for you.

Involves replacing a single DLL with a copy from Windows 10 iirc.

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creaothceann	Posted on 21-07-08, 10:17 Hi.
Post: #355 of 456 Since: 10-29-18 Last post: 51 days Last view: 1 hour	There might be support for older CPUs coming? My current setup: Super Famicom ("2/1/3" SNS-CPU-1CHIP-02) → SCART → OSSC → StarTech USB3HDCAP → AmaRecTV 3.10

desudesu

Posted on 22-02-19, 05:26 (revision 2)

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Posted by tomman

Posted by creaothceann

In the meanwhile, large parts of Windows shell are now UWP aka bloaty web garbage:
https://twitter.com/violetasiii/status/1410507599376793601
Back when MS used to be good ol' evil M$, at least they shipped fast native applications, but I guess their highly capable C/C++ coders are retiring at a accelerated pace, and all they can find is webshit these days :/

It's funny because Microsoft 'Neptune' (prerelease of XP, one build leaked from December 1999 or so) had implemented a bunch of HTML application files for many of the new user interface elements. In fact IE6 can be installed on said build and it breaks the welcome screen :P

It and Windows ME also planned to have something called 'activity centres' which was never completed for either OS (again, all revolving around HTA stuff).

Heck, XP's user account panel was hardly changed between Neptune and the RTM XP if we're talking about the text strings; I believe it also relies on HTML applications for some of the core interface such as the welcome screen. Basically anything where the font rendering forces ClearType mode to ON if IE8 is installed all of a sudden is a tell-tale sign.

Kawaoneechan	Posted on 22-02-19, 09:29 Hi.
OBJECTION!! Post: #575 of 599 Since: 10-29-18 Last post: 202 days Last view: 1 hour	Posted by desudesu I believe it also relies on HTML applications for some of the core interface such as the welcome screen. I'm looking at the welcome screen source code right now and I'm afraid it's not just an HTML application but DirectUI, which admittedly does use some form of HTML and CSS.

CaptainJistuce

Posted on 22-02-19, 09:41

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Posted by Kawa

Posted by desudesu
I believe it also relies on HTML applications for some of the core interface such as the welcome screen.
I'm looking at the welcome screen source code right now and I'm afraid it's not just an HTML application but DirectUI, which admittedly does use some form of HTML and CSS.

I thought for a second you meant the Windows 11 source code. Was just "damn, that was fast".

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tomman

Posted on 22-06-10, 20:09

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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsofts-reportedly-trying-to-kill-hdd-boot-drives-for-windows-11-pcs-by-2023

Starting next year, MS wants OEMs to kill spinners for real: it's SSD or no W11 licenses for your next Brand-Name PC™.

I... am full in agree with this measure. Once you try the pleasure of "almost like RAM" solid storage performance, you simply don't go back. I HOPE that 2023 is the year I finally start moving my metal to SSD (I guess there is little hope for the PATA boxes unless someone magically floods the Soviet Venezuelan market with cheap adapters, but for all the SATA boxes, I'm sick of shitty Ez-Break™ WD/Suckgate/Toshitba spinners, or unobtanium new-old-stock Samsung/Hitachi that it's already 10 years old at least).

But of course, the only ones complaining are paranoid nutters ("teh evil M$ is telling me what to do with my computerizers!!!!"), pennypinching bastards still buying new "crazy supermarket deal" laptops with spinny rust, people living in embargoed Soviet shitholes (and even then, you can now have a half-TB SSD for as low as $50 here if you don't mind using a noname brand AND having a competent backup strategy), and Concerned Citizens™ about e-waste/planned obsolescence/the war at Ukraine/China Pest/China invading Taiwan/"I once bought a SSD and died fast, therefore SSDs over my dead body".

Bring it on, MS. I'm still not using W11, but the move to SSDs is long overdue.

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CaptainJistuce	Posted on 22-06-11, 03:22 Hi.
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wertigon

Posted on 22-06-12, 15:28

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Seriously, these are the SATA SSD prices in piggie America according to PC part picker (cheapest SATA SSD vs cheapest spinning rust of same capacity - e.g. a LOT of 5400 RPM drives here)


+----------+-------------+---------+---------+
|   Size   |    SSD    |    HDD    | Premium |
+----------+-------------+---------+---------+
|   128 GB |    $17.79 |       --- |   ---   |
|   250 GB |    $24.99 |    $12.99 |  1,924  |
|   500 GB |    $39.99 |    $17.99 |  2,223  |
|  1000 GB |    $64.99 |    $32.99 |  1,967  |
|  2000 GB |   $129.99 |    $36.99 |  3,514  |
|  4000 GB |   $319.99 |    $49.99 |  6,401  |
|  8000 GB |   $699.99 |   $144.99 |  4,828  |
| 16000 GB |  $1599.99 |   $279.99 |  5,714  |
+----------+-----------+-----------+---------+

For me, a 2 TB SSD is large enough. I don't need more storage on my system. Sure, for backup drives and so on, larger is better - but 2 TB SSDs cost less than $130 today! Once they drop below $99 it will be game over for the HDD, for real.

Also, Windows 11 still allows spinning rust, it just won't install to one. Thus, a modern system has one of two viable paths:

#1 - a 250 GB SSD + 2 TB HDD. Cost: $61,98
#2 - a 1 TB SSD. Cost: $64.99

The 1TB system will be better in every conceivable way except it doesn't have that 1.25 TB extra storage. Does that even matter though?

Conclusion: If you are too cheap to spend $20 on a 128 GB NVMe boot drive, then Windows 11 is not for you. And yes, your system will support NVMe boot if you can run Windows 11 otherwise.

creaothceann	Posted on 22-06-12, 21:33 Hi.
Post: #403 of 456 Since: 10-29-18 Last post: 51 days Last view: 1 hour	LTT had a talk show segment about that: https://youtu.be/04aNA5rLXEk?t=105 Conclusion: higher numbers wins more dumb customers My current setup: Super Famicom ("2/1/3" SNS-CPU-1CHIP-02) → SCART → OSSC → StarTech USB3HDCAP → AmaRecTV 3.10

Nicholas Steel	Posted on 22-06-15, 05:10 (revision 3) Hi.
Post: #417 of 426 Since: 10-30-18 Last post: 506 days Last view: 20 days	Double Wertigon's price list numbers for SSD costs if you're living in Australia (triple the 250 and 500GB costs). AMD Ryzen 3700X \| MSI Gamer Geforce 1070Ti 8GB \| 16GB 3600MHz DDR4 RAM \| ASUS Crosshair VIII Hero (WiFi) Motherboard \| Windows 10 x64

tomman

Posted on 23-04-29, 03:56 (revision 1)

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https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/28/no_more_updates_for_windows_10/

Win10 has been sentenced to death by MS - no more feature updates from now on, only security patches. Starting October 14th, 2025, it's Windows 11 or nothing.

If you can afford the MS-sanctioned metal to run it, go nuts. If you can't or won't collaborate with the global pandemic of e-waste, then Win10 is the new Win7 is the new WinXP is the new Win98 is the new DOS.

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wertigon

Posted on 23-05-02, 21:00 (revision 1)

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Posted by tomman
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/28/no_more_updates_for_windows_10/

Win10 has been sentenced to death by MS - no more feature updates from now on, only security patches. Starting October 14th, 2025, it's Windows 11 or nothing.

If you can afford the MS-sanctioned metal to run it, go nuts. If you can't or won't collaborate with the global pandemic of e-waste, then Win10 is the new Win7 is the new WinXP is the new Win98 is the new DOS.

Oh, it was sentenced to death years ago. It just had to give due process for appelation courts and whatnot to run it's course, so they don't accidentally sentence an innocent OS to death. Because MS would never do that! Right?

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